Joe Rogan Experience #2008 – Stephen C. Meyer

Stephen C. Meyer, PhD, is a philosopher of science, the director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute, and the author of several books, including "Darwin’s Doubt: The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent Design," and "The Return of the God Hypothesis." Download his free mini-book "Scientific Evidence For A Creator" at

4 Replies to “Joe Rogan Experience #2008 – Stephen C. Meyer”

  1. Larry Cox Reply

    I found out about this interview from Meyer’s newsletter, which I subscribe to.

    I found out about Intelligent Design from Hubbard, who discovered it while researching the deep past recalls of people he was working with in the 1950s. He was interested in better therapeutic methods, so he wrote up his findings but did not continue to explore the area. He was sympathetic to the evolution argument up until he discovered this data.

    Since then, others have come forward with various different arguments for intelligent design. One of the more fantastic ones, though it could be somewhat accurate, is that advanced by Claude Vorilhon (now known as Raël). Another version appears in the book Alien Interview. And of course there is Stephen’s work in the science sector, which is forwarded by a relatively small number of researchers.

    Stephen thinks that God is the best candidate for something that “remains unchanging” and therefore can create things and systems that change. Hubbard found another candidate, except it was not one being; it was all of us. Hubbard found that we are all powered by such a being. It is “unchanging” in that it is massless, formless and timeless. It exists apart from the physical universe. Hubbard assigns us, as a huge group, as the creators of all things physical. And so we get the major difference between the two theories. Hubbard’s findings result in a more crass, less divine approach to biology and its creation. The various species, in this view, are not that different than all the different models of cars that exist on Earth today, or fashion. These things were created for fun, for lack of a better description. And so, it seems, was biological life.

  2. JME Reply

    Haven’t watched whole episode, 21m in, doesn’t variety of dog we’ve seen, from wolves, which still exist, run contrary…scientifically, beyond philosophy, to main point he is making?

    • FunkyWalrus Reply

      No. The variety of canines would only be an example of micro-evolution, or variation within a type. Intelligent Design theory challenges macro-evolution, which would be the appearance of new animal body plans, organs, and tissues. ID theory also challenges naturalistic models for the origin of life, like abiogenesis and chemical evolution.

  3. Lynette Courtney Reply

    I can’t say that I have seen another Joe Rogan episode in which he seems to argue his own points over that of his guest. I see Joe over and over be welcoming to some very diverse and questionable content on his show but yet this gentleman goes on his show, gives he intimate believes, experiences, etc. and Joe appears to just attack his believes/thoughts time after time after time. I was very disappointed in Joe regarding his dialogue on faith/Christianity. Perhaps Joe should wrap his head around there are many things that science cannot prove but yet they are real. Why so hard for Joe to wrap his head around God being real or whatever exactly his problem seems to be. I have watched a great deal of Joe’s episodes and while I find his language and cocky attitude offensive, I have always appreciated his ability to allow others to speak and him to stay neutral (regardless of his personal beliefs) but this time he seemed to just critique and question everything Stephen had to say.

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